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02:25:01 02:25:04 02:25:07 02:25:10 02:25:15 02:25:17 02:25:21 on OO hk WD 02:25:22 © 02:25:29 o22832 10 ozas3s 11 o2z2s37 12 oz2sa2 13 02:25:46 14 o22s:4a 15 02:25:52 16 02253 17 02:25:53 18 ozasss 19 02:25:56 20 oz2sss 21 02:26:00 22 02:26:03 23 oz26.03 24 022604 25 02:26:07 02:26:08 02:26:11 02:26:12 02:26:15 02:26:17 02:26:20 02:26:21 oman OOH bh OD 02:26:24 oz2625 10 oz2626 11 02:26:28 12 ozae30 13 0226:30 14 022630 15 02:26:34 16 ozzeas 17 o22635 18 o22636 19 022639 20 ozes40 21 oz2643 22 oz2645 23 oz26a7 24 ozzea0 25 417 know, law enforcement agencies in those countries, you know, in England, or law enforcement agencies in this country, through -- through power that, you know, somebody at that level, fifth I think in line to the British Throne, would have, you know, presumably access to levers of power that other people might not -- might not have. And so that is the -- I believe is the -- the information that I had available to me on December 30th involving not just Virginia Roberts, but the entire sex trafficking organization. Q. Okay. And that -- just to clarify again, it exhausts your refreshed recollection as to both the information you were relying on as to the allegations about Virginia Roberts, and as to the allegations about other minors; is that right? A. Correct. Q. So I don't have to ask you separately about Roberts? A. That's right. No, and I gave you a heads-up, that was going to be a long answer. Q. You made Mr. Dershowitz look like an amateur. If I could -- MR. SCAROLA: I'm sorry. Like a what? MR. SIMPSON: Amateur, at the Jong answers. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 118 THE WITNESS: Well, I wasn't trying to -- let me be clear. I want the record to be clear: I was not trying to filibuster. You asked me a very direct question which was: I want to know everything that was in your memory on December 30th, and as you can tell, this was a very important subject to me, and it's very important to Miss Roberts, and I wanted to be comprehensive. And I gave you the opportunity to say, let's -- let's have a narrower question, and -- but you wanted the broad question and that's why I did this, so I wasn't... BY MR. SIMPSON: Q. Mr. Cassell, I apologize for attempting humor in this intense situation. A. This is very important to me. Q. I--I--I-- A. This is not -- this is not something that I find funny. Q. And -- well, it -- like I say, it's very important to Mr. Dershowitz, or Professor Dershowitz also. He was trying to answer questions. I'm not questioning that you were trying to answer my question, and I appreciate it. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 10/20/2015 01:07:28 PM 02:26:51 02:26:53 02:26:55 02:26:55 02:26:58 02:26:58 02:26:58 ON Oa hk OD = 02:27:01 © 02:27:02 02:27:04 10 02:27:06 11 02:27:09 1 2 o2a712 13 czars 14 oeris 15 oza716 16 oza718 17 o22719 18 ozar21 19 o2s0e1 20 o2a041 24 023047 22 oxa047 23 023047 24 o23048 25 02:30:48 02:30:50 02:30:52 02:30:53 02:30:54 02:30:55 02:30:56 02:31:00 OoOOnN OO bh WH — 02:31:03 o23104 10 02:31:06 11 ozat08 12 ozatoa 13. ozaros 14 ozantt 15 ozsit1 16 ozait1 17 02:31:13 18 ozs 19 o2at24 20 o2zai:26 21 02327 22 o2z31:33 2S ozsi30 24 ozarar 25 Page 117 to 120 of 151 4119 Mr. Dershowitz was trying to do the same thing and it is a difficult situation. A. Q. All right. So I was not trying to make light of the questions I'm asking you. A. Q. A. Q. Right. This involves sexual abuse -- I understand that. ~~ of multiple girls. I understand that. Your -- I understand the allegations that have been made. A. And your side keeps attacking these girls. That's why it's emotional for me. Q. That -- that part is not true, but I will ask questions -- A. I believe that part is true. THE WITNESS: I would like to take a break. I'm sorry. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the video record, 4:01 p.m. (Thereupon, a recess was taken.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the video record, 4:04 p.m. (Thereupon, Kenneth A. Sweder, Esquire, Alan M. Dershowitz and Carolyn Cohen left the proceedings.) ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 420 MR, SCAROLA: The record should reflect that Mr. and Mrs. Dershowitz have -- are no longer present, MR. SIMPSON: Correct. MR. SCAROLA: Thank you. BY MR. SIMPSON: Q. Mr. Cassell, would you agree with me that accusing someone -- MS. McCAWLEY: Oh, I'm sorry. I just realized that she stepped out to get water, I believe. I didn't ask. I'm sure it's probably okay -- THE WITNESS: MR. SCAROLA: MR. SIMPSON: THE WITNESS: It's all right. It's all right. That's okay with you? Sure. BY MR. SIMPSON: Q, Would you agree with me that accusing a person of -- an adult of engaging in sex with a minor is a serious accusation? A. Q. Sure, And would you agree with me that the cause of Victims' Rights is harmed and not furthered by false allegations of sexual abuse? A. Sure. ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SOLUTIONS (954) 331-4400 30 of 38 sheets HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_010839