mean this is coming from a Nobel laureate who discovered a particle, you know. So I

mean this is coming from a Nobel laureate who discovered a particle, you know. So I ended up where I began, which is non-dualism, that there is only consciousness. Matt: Isn’t that idealism? Deepak: Idealism comes out of non-dualism. Matt: So there are two types of monism [non-dualism]. There’s materialism and then there is idealism. [Each holds that] there’s only matter or there’s only consciousness. Deepak: Okay then we can say idealism is closest to non-duality. They don’t use that word in the East. Let’s go for lunch. [We head downstairs. ] Deepak: With idealism one usually relates to Plato in the West or to Bishop Berkeley and all those guys, you know. But basically, what idealism espouses, it’s mental. But non- dualism says even mental is a construct. When you say mental you have words. As soon as you have a word for an experience it’s no longer fundamental. Matt: Non-dualism is a construct too. Deepak: If I have to use words, yes. Matt: There’s no getting away from constructs. Deepak: No, there is a way of getting away from constructs. It’s called transcendence. Shut up and just be. Matt: We never stop filtering experience— Deepak: Every experience is filtered through given constructs. There is no getting away from it. But then we start looking at consciousness—let’s find our table. [We find our table. ] Deepak Chopra MD Chopra Foundation Jiyo Chopra Center for Wellbeing www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com ae, HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_029515